

Lets Lose The Carling Cup and make an Anglo-Scottish Cup
By: Rob | February 27th, 2009
Sunday, to the indifference of an entire nation, comes the second (after the equally meaningful chairty/community shield) chance to win silverware this season. Lets be honest, its absolutely meaningless (unless you’re playing Football Manager!) The winner gets a UEFA Cup spot (or as it will be next season the Europa League) but as Manchester United will almost certainly qualify for the Champions League instead, Spurs only have to turn up at Wembley, and there you go, they’ve qualified.
(Edit – Perhaps not, see the comments)
So we have defending champs Spurs who beat Chelsea last season, and a team chasing the quintiple (if you chose to include the meaningful World Club Cup) and yet, it still doesn’t feel like a massive game as say, the FA Cup final.
The thing is, The FA Cup is great. It gives teams from every level the chance to have a moment in the sun. The League Cup, currently the Carling Cup, is sort of the same, but only goes down as far as League Two.
Now as a supporter of a League One club who has fond memories of watching big cup upsets, I wouldn’t say get rid of the cup completely. But I would say something needs to be done to stop it being a poor mans version of the FA Cup, which frankly, is exactly what it is.
Every now and then when there is nothing else to talk about the press talk about Rangers and Celtic leaving the SPL and joining the EPL. While I think this would be a bit rubbish, it would be interesting to see how the Prem teams got on against the Scottish giants.
So, as I’ve said before, why not merge the League Cup with the Scottish League Cup, and then have a competition which is at least a little bit different from the FA Cup.
It could go one of two ways – they could take note from the lower-league-only LDV Vans Trophy, and have a “English” and a “Scottish” section, meaning it stays much like the current league cup, untill the final, in which you’d be left with the English Cup Champions, and the Scottish Cup Champions playing one another – perhaps over two legs, one in each nation.
The otehr option going down this route, if Scotland was not interested, is to divide all the teams by local areas, and then at least you get loads of derbies in to make it something teams really want to win. And in some cases big rivals (Blackburn and Burnley say) aren’t in the same league, so would at least get to play each other once a year.
Or you could just go hell-for-leather, and stick all the English and Scottish league teams in a hat and see who gets who. This would be a bit more exciting – the chance to see teams you never do get to see at your local ground – but would probably start complaints when Ayr has to play away at Portsmouth.
I’m pretty sure it would be benificial to the clubs to lobby for this. More people would surely watch this weekend’s final if it was Celtic or Rangers taking on Man United, or whoever.
Also, the two nations still aren’t keen on each other (my Scottish friends and I have good banter about this still), but they never get to play each other – and England have been excluded from the “Celtic Cup” meaning unless fate draws us together, in European Championships or whatever, we’re unlikely to. So this new league cup format would surely give people a bit to get behind. After ten years you’d be looking at it thinking “I hope the English team wins, we’ve only won four of these things” or whatever.
Come on, FA and SFA. We know you read The Offside. Get it done! The campaign starts here.
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I agree with the idea, but lets be clear about England and the Celtic Cup. They’re not excluded – they chose not to participate. The only reason there is a Celtic Cup is because England refused to be part of a proper Home Nations Tournament as we used to have.
On the main point, I’m all in favor. I’d love to see Caley taking on teams from down south.
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It is a real shame then that we’re not interested in being in it, I think a proper old Home Nations tournament would be a really good idea.
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If the SFA is reading this, then you are a bunch of hun twats.
That being said, a decent idea but I think we’d still see the problem of the bigger teams on both sides not putting forth their strongest sides until the semi-finals (if that).
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The runner up in the Carling Cup does not get into europe next season. If ManU win then the next placed team in the league gets the euro place.
As a Hamilton Accies fan I would love to see them play any English team, just for the fun, but English League turkeys who relish playing English Premier teams wouldn’t vote for our Christmas
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Craig – Oh really? Well at least that gives Spurs something to play for, though that isn’t a great way of doing things.
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“Lets be honest, its absolutely meaningless (unless you’re playing Football Manager!)”
Hell, yeah!
Seriously though, a club like Newcastle (no silverware since 1969, no domestic silver since ‘55) would probably love to win the Carling Cup.
The really annoying thing for me is that the big teams like Utd field second elevens and then still get to the final ahead of clubs like Newcastle or, say, Middlesbrough, who would probably love to lift a trophy.
For me, that shows the massive massive imbalance in English club football right now.
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Oh, and speaking of Anglo-Scottish competition and Football Manager…
Thommo’s running an experiment where – after a bit of database editing – he’s managing Celtic in the English Premier League.
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